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New Partner Spotlight: Cymbiotika, Part I

with Chervin Jafarieh, Founder

Cymbiotika Highlights
[Part I: Golden Mind, Magnesium L-Threonate, Adrenal Super Tonic, Shilajit, Molecular Hydrogen]:
 
  • Learn how Chervin’s childhood and schooling led to a deep appreciation for the highest quality food and nutritional products
  • Cymbiotika as a movement more than a supplement company – the mission to empower people with a return to a natural state of health
  • How ancient minerals harvested from mountaintops around the world can give you the charge you need to sustain your day
  • Biodynamic, liposomal stress support and brain enhancement formulas – Adrenal Super Tonic & Golden Mind
  • Cymbiotika’s #1 best-selling product, Liposomal Magnesium L-Threonate. What’s so special about this form of magnesium? (And why it’s been an essential part of Michael’s routine for years.)
  • How the most abundant element in the universe, hydrogen, can put out the fire of free radical damage, oxidation, and inflammation.

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Cymbiotika Highlights
[Part II: Topical Magnesium, Liposomal Vitamin C, Glutathione Complex]:
 
  • Why most transdermal magnesium lotions and sprays ITCH and aren’t absorbed very well – and how Cymbiotika fixed both problems!
  • What changed Michael’s mind about carrying a liposomal glutathione product in the new RHT shop.
  • The source of most Vitamin C on the market (HINT: It’s NOT oranges), why that matters, and the process of making the best Vitamin C on the market.

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Webinar Transcript

Partner Spotlight: Cymbiotika, Part I

Michael Roesslein:

And we’re live. I am here with Chervin Jafarieh, the founder and formulator from Cymbiotika. Chervin, thanks for being here.

Chervin Jafarieh:

It’s great to be here. Thank you.

Michael Roesslein:

I’m excited. I actually just found out about your product line a few months ago, and out of all the expansion we just did with our shop, we added more products from your line than any of the other brands that we’re starting with because I just… I really like them. It’s a really well rounded line of products, great formulas, liposomal delivery.

               So, before we get into that, I want to introduce you. I think a lot of our audience is probably familiar with you. They listen to your podcast, or they’re familiar with some of your other work. But for those who don’t know, Chervin’s one of the most respected and influential health experts in the world. At an early age, he was mentored by some of the world’s top health authorities and quickly developed a deep passion and curiosity that drove him to question and expand upon everything he was taught.

               He grew up learning the fundamentals of biodynamic farming, and was influenced by a sophisticated curriculum that focused on both the right and left brain development to improve neuroplasticity and increase his ability to learn. He’s got platforms, social media, podcasts, interviews, live shares, deep insights on areas of studies such as Eastern and Western medicine, orthomolecular medicine, epigenetics, physiology, nutrition, detox, biodynamic agricultural philosophy, a lot of stuff. You’re into a lot of cool things. A lot of that, our audience is also into. You founded Cymbiotika in 2017, which is an innovative wellness company that designs sophisticated organic nutritional formulations scientifically proven to increase vitality and longevity by filling the nutritional gaps from a typical modern day diet. Mission is stated. It is to inspire individuals to take ownership of their health through proper nutritional supplementation and sound education. That’s a lot of words there, but I’d like to hear it in your words. How did this company come about? Why’d you want to create it? Where the idea come from, and what’s really the passion behind it?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah, thank you for that intro. It’s just finding the holes of where we are today versus where we were before, and that’s the biodynamic background. Our whole motto here is how you do anything’s how you do everything. And so, we are not supposed to be taking supplements. We’re not supposed to be doing all these things. We’re supposed to be getting our nutrition from our food, from our soil, from the biotics, from the touch of everything being grown to perfection. But that world’s changed. It’s de-evolved across the board and we can’t put our head in the sand. And so, I was brought up in a household and around mentors that took me back to a lot of the ancient philosophies, a lot of the ancient wisdom, which helped me develop empathy at an early age. And that empathy gave me a big concern for people’s health, including my own health. And that drove me to keep learning, keep learning, and put myself around some of the smartest people in the world.

               So, I’ve had that opportunity at an early age with Waldorf education, also going into a lot of Rudolf Steiner’s work. And then from there, just taking my own path and journey and understanding biochemistry on a deep fundamental level. That took me directly to orthomolecular medicine. Orthomolecular medicine is the education that a lack of nutrients leads us directly to cellular degeneration, disease, premature aging. And you topple that on with all the stuff that’s going on in our world, all the fear, all the poisons, all the toxicities, we never really had a chance, and that’s the reason why we’re in the shape we are in fundamentally as a society and every major system has fallen apart.

               So, Cymbiotika was birthed with that nuances to come help plug in a lot of those holes. I don’t like to look at us as a supplement company. I see us more as a movement, an educational system. I teach everyone to practice their own discernment. It’s really important that people fundamentally learn what and how their body functions on. And that’s how this thing has grown so rapidly over the last four or five years, where we have people now taking ownership of their health. And so, in terms of the product line, I wanted to design sophisticated products that not only have a very well-read label, but are actually bioavailable, and that you’re actually absorbing the nutrients. Because we know we are what we eat, but more importantly, we are what we can absorb.

               And so, it’s a very comprehensive, I would say, portfolio of high-end, nutrient-based high source products that are designed and created at a very, very rapid clip.

               And what I mean by that is all our products are made to order. Essentially, we’re going through batches every eight to 10 weeks on just about every skew. Our products aren’t meant to sit in someone’s cupboard for two years. These are live, raw materials that are essentially food-based formed, and that’s one of the most important things I think to distinguish us from other brands. Not only are we liquid, or liposomes, or raw plant extracts, but they’re as fresh as they can be.

               It’s been an exciting journey. We have a really, really sound team at Cymbiotika. We just opened up our campus down in San Diego, California. So, you have everything in house. We don’t outsource anything, and that’s really important to know when it comes to a company that’s doing things the right way. Our customer service, our design engineers, our chemists, our formulators, they’re all in house under our roof. I think, that’s another identifying factor that separates us from many companies. My whole thing is I’m not trying to compete with anyone out there. I want everyone to get healthy. I want to call people higher and say, “Look, we got to do things the right way.” That’s really what Cymbiotika stands for.

Michael Roesslein:

Thanks for sharing all that, and I’m sure that your upbringing around biodynamic farming has something to do with your almost obsession for quality, or purity, or live fresh ingredients. Because I know it’d be a lot easier to make a million of something at once and then sell it over the next year than it is to continually be having to keep up with batches. I didn’t even know that until you just said it that that’s how you guys are kind of going right now. But I know the headache that that can cause and how it’s easier to just be like, “Okay, well, we’ll just make 500,000 units of that, and then we’ll sit on it.”

               But what was that like growing up around that quality of food and connection to nature and learning about the cycles and all that? I grew up in a very different place and very different environment, so I’m kind of just half jealous, half curious.

Chervin Jafarieh:

I feel you on that. It was split down the middle, similar like you in a sense where… I grew up in San Diego, California. I surfed my whole life. I was around just every type of walk of life you can imagine which was good for me. It’s good to see other sides of the coin, right? Without shadow, you can’t have light. And so, to be integrated, though, with that cosmology and that philosophy at such an early age, it really engineered and constructed my mind frame and my purpose. It showed me that there are subtle energies in this world outside of instant gratification. And the subtlety of our nature, the subtlety of our connection to our mother, all these things had a profound effect on my ability to see clearly on every sense.

               And it was pure inspiration throughout the process that there’s something more than what just I was being taught in mainstream school and state-sponsored school, and specifically biodynamics. The purpose around biodynamics is not to just make mineralized, nutrient-dense food. Specifically, it’s around connecting the human soul to the earth and really taking on the stewardship on an authentic level, as opposed to just the maniacal, we are the top of the species, mowing everything down in nature and thinking technology can get ahead of everything that we’re doing. No, it’s quite the opposite. It’s very close to my ancient Persian roots in terms of mysticism and connection, similar with our friends at the Native American church. It’s these types of awarenesses and love that’s born through traditions, which is part of my makeup. And that directly affects every thought and decision I make today with the direction Cymbiotika is going.

Michael Roesslein:

Beautiful. Do you go to Waldorf for your whole schooling?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Not my whole, but for a few years, I did. In the middle section, like middle school area.

Michael Roesslein:

Cool. All right.

Chervin Jafarieh:

During summer programs, all those types of things.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. It’d be a better place if everybody were raised in those schools, for sure. I have a couple friends that are Waldorf teachers.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Okay.

Michael Roesslein:

I didn’t even know about it when I was at school age and it’s something I learned about as an adult, but I’m now familiar with the curriculum and the different way of growing a mind, I guess I would call it, versus indoctrinating one.

               But we’re going to talk about the products that we’ve started with to add to our shop. I just want to get into each one a little bit and familiarize people, help them make educated decisions on what’s right for them. I think you kind of spoke to that a little bit in your introduction around it’s more than just a supplement company, it’s a movement. You’re wanting to educate people and help them figure out, and make informed sovereign decisions for themselves in what might be right.

               So, I think, we’ll probably start… Let’s start with the Adrenal Super Tonic because I don’t think there’s anyone in modern society right now, maybe there is, but I don’t know them, who isn’t pretty stressed to the max and probably couldn’t use a little bit of adrenal support. So, there’s Adrenal Super Tonic…. I’ll just let you go into that one and we’ll riff on that.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah, no problem. You could see there’s a complex amount of ayurvedic and TCM herbs in that product. And that product specifically comes from our bio farm up in Sebastopol, California, where we have a lot of essences that are grown, in that formula, in that farm that we use in that. And specifically, I always like to talk about the guava leaf extract which has such a strong ability to really feed the thyroid and to feed multiple areas in the body that create balance.

               That product is very rare in terms of… It’s all water extracted. So, you’re getting basically a hundred percent bioavailability in that product. I use that. It’s very versatile in the way that you can use it. It’s stress reliever, but it’s also going to build momentum in your energy storages. It’s also a cleansing product. It’s got black pigments in there which is always… That [inaudible 00:12:35] energy, things like that, and just the way that whole thing was constructed. A very legendary mentor of mine, we sat down and put that whole thing together. It took some time. It took about six, seven months for us to kind of figure out how we wanted to do this, and it’s become almost like a cult favorite. I wouldn’t say it’s our top sellers because it’s very unique flavor. But for people that are into ayurveda, into TCM, understand what bitters are, and all those things, they just can’t let that go, including myself.

Michael Roesslein:

I’m interested for the flavor. I have some on the way over here. I live in Italy, so getting things over here isn’t always the easiest situation. So, I have some stuff in route with a visitor that’s coming.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Right. You’re going to like it a lot.

Michael Roesslein:

I’ll like it? Yeah. I’ve taken a lot of bitter herbal type extracts before, but I see a lot of adaptogens in here. So, this is stuff really to help someone’s physiology cope with, or manage, or deal with day to day stressors or acute stressors. I read some of the reviews on your side of this one, and it was people literally, like, “I feel like I was never alive before this and now I can handle my day without being drained by noon.” So, this is just a really solid stress support, whether it’s an acute stress, or a chronic stress, or you just feel depleted and kind of like your body, isn’t able to be resilient with stress, right?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. I mean, it’s not a drug, right? Drug, you’re going to have to rob something to gain something. This is opposite.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah.

Chervin Jafarieh:

You’re allowing your faculties to rev up and it’s only momentum going in a direction. It’s filled with adaptogens. What are adaptogens? It’s our ability to be malleable, our ability to bend and not break, our ability to take on how a lot of these herbs are supporting themselves in nature, just like a medicinal mushroom or some kind of ayurvedic herb, those things. The holy basil, tulsi, these things, they allow you to take on that consciousness, and you bring it into your body, and then you can use that in your every day. That’s just the only way I look at these types of nutrients.

Michael Roesslein:

Perfect. And it says here 12 pumps daily. I’m guessing that’s a general recommendation that each person can kind of play around and see where their sweet spot is. Maybe less, maybe more in acute times.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Absolutely, especially with that product. That product’s flexible in terms of dosage, but that’s a standard dosage.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay, great. And anything else you want to say about Adrenal Super Tonic before we go on to the next?

Chervin Jafarieh:

I like taking it in the evening. That’s kind of my [inaudible 00:15:39].

Michael Roesslein:

Interesting.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah, I like taking it in the evening. Just kind of puts me into that later stages. But if you’re someone that’s pounding coffee all day long, it’s not a bad idea to have something like that along with our Shilajit, then you’re hitting it on all forces.

Michael Roesslein:

I didn’t drink coffee before I moved here to Italy and it’s actually, I think, almost illegal to not. People think you’re a bit of an outsider, so I started to drink it a little bit and it’s much better, one, and two, but I don’t want to have to drink it. And so, in the past, if I’ve ever done caffeine regularly… I’m going to go into the Shilajit so I’m bringing this up. Because I got a hold of some of this over here already. I started to drink it every day. And in the past, whenever I’ve drank caffeine every day, I get pretty nasty headaches and withdrawal symptoms if I come off it. And last week is when my Shilajit got here. If you don’t know what Shilajit is, you’re going to find out in a second. It’s this deliciously gooey… Delicious is not exactly the word I would use, but it’s this delicious-looking gooey black paste. I’ve stopped drinking the coffee and nothing happened.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah.

Michael Roesslein:

So, I don’t know if that’s a… Because I look at this, and things like cordyceps, mushrooms, and a couple other things, I think, would probably be helpful. I’ve been like, “I’m going to try these.” And I’ve had no serious withdrawal issues. So, what the heck is Shilajit, for people who don’t know? I know you’re a big fan of… I’ve heard you talk about this product on podcasts and elsewhere, so I know you’re pretty passionate about this one. What is this stuff? What makes it so powerful and incredible, and how do you use it?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Well, it’s the cornerstone of ayurveda. It translates to conquer of weakness, you know? And it’s been used by the ancient [inaudible 00:17:48] for thousands of years recorded history. It’s basically a mineral pitch resin, comes from the earth. It’s filled with terpenes, fats, nutrients, 84 trace minerals, all kinds of plant biotics that have [inaudible 00:18:06], essentially what we call fossil fuel.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, because this is from dinosaur age, yeah?This is…

Chervin Jafarieh:

I can’t speculate about dinosaurs, or anything like that…

Michael Roesslein:

Okay.

Chervin Jafarieh:

… but what I… It’s definitely plant materials that’ve decomposed in the earth, and combination with fulvic and humic acid, you have those types of energies, those are forces of this earth. You combine that with plant nutrition and all that stuff, and you get this black tar. And so, we source from seven or eight different places in the world, the highest peaks. And that’s where this Shilajit came in.

               There’s so many uses for it. As you mentioned it’s not a stimulant in terms of it doesn’t release cortisol to put you into fight flight so you feel hyped up like coffee does. It’s not a drug like caffeine. What it does do is it basically electrolizes your body. So, we’re on the awareness that our body’s an electrical system before it’s a chemical one. That’s why we grounded on earth. That’s why we get in the front of the sun. That’s why we do red light therapy. That’s why we do all these things. That’s why we hydrate with the best spring water. And so, Shilajit is the mineralization of the body. The size of the minerals is very key here, so there’s very high uptake across the board. And it’s also super critical that we keep a balance of acid and alkalinity in our body.

               Shilajit does a great job in terms of pushing out acidosis in parts of the body that we don’t want to be building up metabolic waste and things of that nature. People that are on the standard American diet or eating a lot of processed foods, they built up a lot of acids and certain tissues, so Shilajit is just something that the versatility of it is incredible. It’s Jing, again, it’s that black color, which is kidney, liver energy, keeps you going throughout the day. It’s non-caloric, too, so if you like to do intermittent fasting or extended period of times of fasting. I love the idea of Shilajit being a main player in that whole process.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. Thanks for sharing all that. It’s really cool. It’s really cool stuff. The more I learn about it, the more excited about it I am. I’ve only been taking this one. I’ve taken Shilajit in the past, but this one packs quite a punch. I definitely feel an aliveness that’s, like you said, it’s not jittery, it’s not like caffeine, not like sugar. It’s just more natural energy. And can you tell me a little bit… If somebody’s unfamiliar with taking this stuff, it comes to this cool metal, I don’t know what the name for this is, spoon-type object. I’ve just been dipping it in, and then I swirl it around in a little bit of water until it’s dissolved. Hot water would probably work better or faster. I’m using room temperature water. In the past, I’ve just put it in my mouth and sucked on it, and that’s pretty hardcore. How do you take it? How do you recommend people take it?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. So, that spoon right there is non-degradable in a sense. You don’t want to use a regular spoon with Shilajit because of the fulvic acid. It can strip off the metal from the spoon, whatever that metal’s made of, nickel or whatever, and you don’t want that stuff. And so, that spoon specifically is safe for usage.

               There’s many ways of using it. I would say, for me, ideally, I like using it with tea or just warm water. I don’t do boiling scolding hot water, because you don’t want to damage the resin, but warm, hot water is fine. You can also roll it into a ball and then just swallow it. If you just don’t like the taste. Our whole thing here is that when you start acquiring the taste for Shilajit, that’s a good sign in your body.

Michael Roesslein:

I’m not quite there yet. I wouldn’t say I dislike the taste, but it is a taste. I’ll just put it that way.

Chervin Jafarieh:

But it creeps up on you just like anything else. You start to [inaudible 00:22:26], and then your brain wiring changes.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, I’m sure. I’ve already noticed a little bit of a shift, but, yeah, it’s powerful stuff. In the morning, best time for this probably, or just whenever you’re feeling kind of run down? I do it first thing in the morning.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. I think that’s the main ritual, but you’re not limited to that. So, whatever…

Michael Roesslein:

Okay.

Chervin Jafarieh:

… but I like it earlier in the day for sure.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. There’s a lot in there. It’s a small little jar, but a little bit goes a long way with this stuff, so it’s quite a bit. It’s a good amount in the jar there.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah.

Michael Roesslein:

It will go… Yeah, it’s good. I can imagine the process of sourcing that, because I know where it comes from is often pretty obscure.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah.

Michael Roesslein:

High Himalayas-type locations. I’ve heard of the brand. You partnered with Purblack, right? This is a…

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yes. I partnered with Purblack.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay.

Chervin Jafarieh:

We just changed the formula a little bit. Added a little bit more gold, and a little bit more silver.

Michael Roesslein:

All right, let’s go… Let’s do this one. This is one of my favorite things, and it’s simple, and it’s inexpensive, and it’s a great addition to the daily routine in people who are living. You mentioned earlier, we have the depleted soils and we have the depleted food, and you mix that in with the high stress and the toxic environment, and people don’t really have a chance. Molecular Hydrogen, something I learned about probably four or five years ago. I took the one from Quicksilver Scientific for a while, H2 Elite, and it was so simple. I had somebody come on from the Molecular Hydrogen Institute, which I didn’t know was a thing, but I had him on a webinar and he talked about it and how it’s really just a really gentle antioxidant, anti-inflammatory. It kind of is a modulator, regulator in the body, and it works in a way that kind of… It goes where it’s needed, it does what’s needed, and hydrogen’s used throughout the whole body. And so, it’s just a really good, basic, simple thing that people can add that will kind of contribute to homeostasis. Am I far off base there?

Chervin Jafarieh:

No, you’re right on the level. That’s exactly what Molecular Hydrogen does. It goes exactly where it needs to go. The first element on the periodic table and the smallest element that we know of, and it acts as a neutralizer of the one of the most dangerous free radicals in the body called hydroxyl. Hydroxyl acts like a chaotic bull in a [inaudible 00:25:08], just destroying everything in its path, and that’s essentially what aging’s all about; oxidative stress, then you have free radicals that are stealing electrons from different parts of the body. Hydroxyl attacks us at the subcellular level at the DNA. And so, molecular hydrogen goes in there and it blends itself in electron and neutralizes that deep, deep in our cells. We can’t find anything even close to that. There’s no vitamin C, no CoQ10, no nothing, not even glutathione.

               And it also recruits other antioxidants like our own endogenous production of glutathione and superoxide dismutase, that’s a very important antioxidant, catalase, things like that. And so, it’s just one of those things that… It’s an experience for sure, and we love it. We can’t stop. We’re doing about two doses a day on average, depending on our workload, depending on if we’re out on crazy hikes, or if we’re training and stuff like that. I have all my top assets on it. It’s incredibly versatile, and it just seems like this is going to be a staple for life.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, me too. I mean, it’s something I’ll never probably take out of my own personal regimen. It’s another thing I drink in the morning. I’ll have another one at night. If my day was particularly physically challenging in some way, or if I’m not feeling too hot. But it’s really simple. These are little tablets that you just drop in water and they fizz a little bit, dissolve, then you drink the water. And so, there’s no pills. There’s nothing to take there, really easy. I take one to two a day.

               And he mentioned the hydroxyl on the webinar as well. It was a couple years back. We have that on the site if people want to go find it. It’s in the video area. We have a video training on hydrogen. But it’s just super versatile and really benevolent. You’re not going to mess anything up with this one. It just goes where it’s needed, and it’s literally just hydrogen. And people are like, “Hydrogen does anything?” And it’s, “Yeah, it’s literally the most common molecule in the body, of course it would do something.”

               Do you guys just recently add this? Because I didn’t see this about six months ago when I first started scoping the products.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah, this came out I believe six weeks ago.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay, cool. We caught it right at the right time then. So, great addition to any foundational protocol I would say. And let’s go into…

Chervin Jafarieh:

We’re on a stretch because of the airport. I’m just getting signaled. I think we can do like one more.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah.

               We got to go? How much time do we have?

Speaker 3:

I’d say, six minutes.

Chervin Jafarieh:

I have six minutes.

Michael Roesslein:

All right, we’ll do one more. And then, I think we can try to record.

Chervin Jafarieh:

I think we can get a couple more. Let’s just go for it.

Michael Roesslein:

All right. Well, ready, go. Here’s Golden Mind. This is Nootropic, combating cognitive decline. So, there’s a lot of stuff in here. I’ll throw the ingredients up here and you can have at it.

Chervin Jafarieh:

I mean, adaptogens, brain adaptogens. I’m not really for synthetics, especially with the brain. I love that product right here. We’re all taking that daily. It’s the Lion’s Mane extract as well, so you’re getting the extract version of lion’s mane, not just the matter. And it’s in liposomal form.

               So, we can just talk about liposomes real quick. This was a pharmaceutical application to get nutrients in the body to make sure they’re bioavailable. We’re supposed to be getting nutrition from food, remember? And so, if you’re just taking pills and capsules of certain fat soluble ingredients and even some adaptogens, you’re not quite getting the actual absorption rate because it’s going through the stomach, then it’s got to make its way to large intestines, all of those things. And sometimes, our hydrochloric acid wipes out a lot of these nutrients that are supposed to be protected by certain things. And so, encapsulating it in a phospholipid protects it. So, it comes in, makes its way to large intestines, starts to disintegrate, and then eventually makes it into the bloodstream fully intact. And so, a product like Golden Mind, you’re getting a lot of these adaptogens. You’re getting a lot of these brain nutrients, but you’re getting it in lyposome form. It’s basically [inaudible 00:29:40] and that’s what we’re finding as one of the best ways to get nutrient uptake. I love that product.

Michael Roesslein:

And you got the Lion’s Mane, too. I love Lion’s Mane. I’ve been taking it for a few years. Brain neuro stuff is my own challenge. I have a history of concussions from sports, and I’m worried about neurodegeneration, so Lion’s Mane, Theanine, Phosphatidylcholine. I see a lot of familiar… Bacopa. I see a lot of familiar friends in here. Great brain tonic, great cognitive, great nootropic, just focused brain mental capacity, neurodegeneration-prevention type formula.

Chervin Jafarieh:

That-

Michael Roesslein:

And it comes in the packets.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. It comes in the… That product, in combination with the Magnesium L-Threonate, is just-

Michael Roesslein:

I’ll roll into that one. You can keep riffing on that, I’ll bring that one up.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. Magnesium, one of the most important minerals to man. It’s a co-factor. It’s involved with so many biological processes. The subatomic charge on magnesium is what allows cells to properly communicate. It’s also our mineral for stress. So, stress is up, magnesium storage is burned off. I mean, there’s so many different ways to explain what magnesium does in the body. So, because we’re depleted, it’s not in our food, it’s not in our nutrient-dense food, we’re getting depleted throughout our body and even more so in the brain. So, couple doctors at MIT, they figured out to combine magnesium with threonic acid, and this specific nutrient creates a pathway into the brain at a very, very high clip. And so, this is actually, I think, our top seller at Cymbiotika, is our Magnesium L-Threonate product. This is liposomal form. You’re getting 1300 milligrams per serving. I do one to two a day depending on my day. And so this, with our Golden Mind, with our Molecular Hydrogen, with our Shilajit, it’s like game on in terms of nutrient absorption and getting the right things in your body.

Michael Roesslein:

And Mag Threonate’s another one I’ve been taking for quite a while, and I actually notice… I just switched to yours, but before that I noticed… I have a history of anxiety and I’ve noticed that L-Theanine, which was in Golden Mind, and Mag Threonate are my two kind of key nutrients, where if I have those in adequate amounts, my mind slows down quite a bit, and the racing mind gets more negotiable.

               So, Mag Threonate, like you mentioned, it’s the form of magnesium that crosses the blood-brain barrier effectively, developed at MIT. Magtein’s the name brand, but 1300 milligrams is a lot. That’s about as much as I’ve seen in a single serving product and it’s liposomal, so this is quite a bit that you’re getting per serving here.

               One serving is probably pretty adequate for a lot of people, because I’ve seen… I’ve had to take four or five, six capsules of that stuff whenever I’ve taken it in the past. I like your pouches replaces handfuls of pills. I’m always going to be for that. And if it’s better absorption, then it’s a double win.

               So, the Mag Threonate and the Golden Mind, kind of a brain super duo there. We went over the Shilajit, and the Molecular Hydrogen, and the Adrenal Super Tonic.

               I’ll try to catch up with you. I know you got to go to a plane, so I’ll try to catch up with you in the near future. Maybe we could do just a few minutes and grab some of the other ones. Just get your feedback on some of the other ones [inaudible 00:33:21]…

Chervin Jafarieh:

That’s not a problem.

Michael Roesslein:

… around those, so we can add some videos. But, thanks for jumping on. Thanks for making such awesome stuff, really, for lack of a technical term. It’s really high quality, really high deliverability, bioavailability. Everything’s organic or beyond organic, highly absorbable, and it’s really clear that you guys really care about the effectiveness of these products. It’s not just about making a product and making a company. It’s about putting things out there that will impact people’s lives in a positive way and help them bring them back towards that natural state where we’ve kind of fallen off from. So, Chervin, thank you for sharing so much and for being here. Much appreciated.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Of course.

Michael Roesslein:

Safe travels and we’ll catch up soon.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. Big love to you, man. I appreciate what you’re doing, and I’m here for it. So, we’ll make it happen again, bro.

Michael Roesslein:

All right, cool. Thanks. Have a good one.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Okay, everybody. Take care. Bye.

Partner Spotlight: Cymbiotika, Part II

Michael Roesslein:

And we are back. We just traveled through time and space. He’s in a different location. We’re going to finish the conversation with Mr. Chervin Jafarieh. He was in Texas, now he is in California because of aerospace magic, and we have three more products to talk about. So one, thanks for coming back on to chat about three more formulas from Cymbiotika that we’re really excited to be offering now. And I’m going to start with the heavy hitter, out of the three that we haven’t covered yet, is the glutathione formula. So I’m going to share my screen and bring up that page and I want to point out that this is not just your average reduced glutathione, which is in the product, but you guys have added CoQ10, PQQ, a vitamin B2, and some alpha lipoic acid. So my questions would be, just real beginner first, what is glutathione and why create this product and what is it intended for? And then, let’s break down these additional ingredients that you put in there and the formula a little bit.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. Awesome. So this is probably in my top three favorite products in terms of usage. I’m very consistent with it for multiple reasons. I’ve been a big fan of glutathione for 15, 20 years. Glutathione is a tri peptide. It’s actually made endogenously within the body, multiple barriers in the body, mainly the liver. You always hear people doing coffee enemas, well coffee enema is to release endogenous glutathione. Glutathione is the master antioxidant and it does a number of things. It acts as a modulator, it acts as a chelater for mold toxins, parasites, anything in the body that shouldn’t be there. It neutralizes in acidity, it neutralizes free radical damage, it can cross multiple, multiple barriers. And so by the time we hit a certain age, depending on our lifestyle and stuff like that, our body’s ability to manufacture glutathione lessons.

               So the whole thing about supplementation is, we want to take the burden off the body so the body can stay in a homeostatic state. So it’s not going off tilt. The more we start going off tilt, the more things start to head towards the disease span. So what we’re doing is, we’re trying to keep everything in alignment in terms of nutrient dense load. And so this formula was one of my favorite products. I’ve tried so many glutathione products out there and you’ll know that, through experience, that a lot of glutathiones have a strong sulfuric smell. And basically, glutathione is a sulfur compound and it oxidizes and by the time you get your capsule or even your liquids, in some cases, it’s just so foul you can’t even comprehend it. And at that point, you don’t have its full power, it’s full potential. And so through the process of liposomal and other ways of storing the glutathione, we’re able to keep it captive.

               And because it’s in a single serve, it’s not being introduced to any oxygen at all. And they’re nitrogen filled, so just, there’s no oxygen in there to oxidize it. And so this is a universal product. You could take it any time of day. You could take it just for general cleanse, general wellbeing, you could take it at night if you had a couple drinks or whatever and your liver had to release some coating or whatnot. So you take the glutathione. And not to jump off the glutathione, but we also have a very, very particular key nutrient, and probably per weight the most expensive compound in the world, is PQQ. Pyrroloquinolione quinone, which is a fantastic antioxidant. Acts as a coenzyme, similar class as CoQ10 in certain ways. But this is, more generally, finds its way to the brain. And so the studies on PQQ are outstanding in terms of methylation in the brain, in terms of neurogenesis, in terms of synapse function.

               So you’re basically upgrading your body’s ability to create neural networks. You’re removing toxic metabolic ways that builds up in the brain. This assists the glymphatic system, which is the brain lymph node, which runs and regulates every evening when you go to sleep. There’s so many benefits. Eye improvement in terms of visual acuity. I can go on and on, PQQ is just one of those master, master compounds. And this all is created through a fermentation process. And so, 20 milligrams is considered a pretty hefty dose of PQQ and getting that in there is one of the main reasons why this product separates itself from so many other products. Of course, we have the CoQ10 in there. Of course we have the B2 in there. Riboflavin. All of those synergistically work together to give you energy, jing, cleansing inside, outside. It’s so versatile, just about anyone can take it. And I really enjoy the flavor as well. It’s that exact flavor that allows you to get away with glutathione.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, I knew what you were saying when you started talking at the beginning about the flavor of oxidized glutathione, because I’ve dabbled in a lot of different supplements and products over the last lot of years. And some of them taste and smell something that, you’re confused when you’re putting it in your body, because you’re like, if it smells like this, could it possibly be good for me?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Totally.

Michael Roesslein:

And you can trust your intuition there, we’re built with the sniffer for that reason. And I see that, I want to point out because our audience would probably ask, the flavorings. I see organic orange oil, organic citrus extract here. I know because I’ve looked into your products a lot and we chatted earlier that you’re not putting any crap in any of these products to do sweeteners and flavors and all that type of garbage. So anything that makes it taste good in here is not going to be some sort of chemical concoction that’s masking a flavor and the PQQ-

Chervin Jafarieh:

They’re actually beneficial. We were able to crack the code on many of our other ingredients that helped maintain pH, that helped maintain flavor profiles, that helped maintain peroxidized levels, which is basically not letting the product go rancid. Because we’re dealing with live liposomes here, we got to figure that out, but instead of bombarding it with chemical after chemical, we can use plant extracts that are actually in the plant to help stabilize the plant from not oxidizing while it’s fruiting. It’s like, what a concept. And that’s what we’re doing at Cymbiotika is, we’re we’re working with nature as opposed to against nature.

               And because our products are being emulsified every two months, we’re going through a round, I think we talked about it on the first one. We’re literally going through a new emulsion, at this rate, because of our scale, every eight weeks. And so if you extrapolate that out, we’re running new product every eight weeks, every cycle, nonstop. So these are products that, once it gets in your hand, you’re using this. This isn’t something that you’re putting in your warehouse for two years. That’s how Cymbiotika is operating, we’re basically a food-based supplement company.

Michael Roesslein:

Perfect. And I can attest, the PQQ supplements are usually 10 milligrams. They sell on the market, standalone PQQ supplements that are 10 milligrams, and so 20 milligrams … I mean, if you don’t know PQQ you’ll see 20 milligrams doesn’t seem like a lot. That’s a lot for that ingredient and it’s powerful stuff and they’re not cheap. They’re not cheap either. So standalone PQQs, I used to take a standalone PQQ, and I would even get the discount one from Life Extensions or something and it was still expensive and it’s not very good quality. And it was still one of the more expensive things I was taking for mitochondrial support and energy and that. And CoQ10, I think everybody’s pretty familiar with now at this point, it’s a huge cardiovascular support and antioxidant and mitochondrial support.

               So this is a loaded powerhouse of a formula. This is something I’m really excited to have on here. And the glutathione, I mean, we just published an article on our site on glutathione and I think it’s 2,500 words and it was difficult to keep it to 2,500 words, because there’s just so much there of what it does. And there was even a lot of research that came out the last couple years in severity of infections with the situation that we’ve had going on the last couple years related to glutathione status. So they were testing peoples glutathione levels and it was an indicator of pretty much disease severity and all caused mortality and all kinds of things because it does so much related to the body’s resiliency and ability to ward off anything or work with different types of toxins. So really powerful stuff here. Very cool formula.

Chervin Jafarieh:

That’s actually a good point, what you made [inaudible 00:09:32], but that’s almost a litmus test that they have now is, you can tell someone’s constitution or their overall health just by a baseline evaluation on their glutathione levels. It’s determining how many wars they got going on inside

Michael Roesslein:

And how much resilience they have to something that might come to them. So there’s very few singular markers that can be looked at that would indicate an overall state of health, overall resiliency more than glutathione. So I actually added … Because I mean, there’s a few liposomal glutathiones on the market that I like, and I wasn’t really going to add one, and then I saw that you had these other ingredients in here. And I was like, this formula’s too cool to not put in the shop, so really awesome product and we’re excited to have it. So we’ve got …

Chervin Jafarieh:

It’s also beautifying too. So just leave it at that.

Michael Roesslein:

Oh, interesting.

Chervin Jafarieh:

It’s a very beautifying-

Michael Roesslein:

Because antiaging antioxidant type of capacity to it?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. You’re removing the toxic burden in the body. Toxic burden is what’s giving you dry skin, it’s what’s removing your [inaudible 00:10:48]. Yeah, all that stuff.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay. So we have two more that we didn’t cover last time that we’re going to go over now. I’ll go to the vitamin C next. And I like your delivery here, because I mean, what I’m guessing is, for some of these products, the reason you go to the … I don’t know what that’s called, sachet? The little packets? Is that it oxidizes pretty easily, so if you have a bottle, and you open the bottle, everything in the bottle is exposed to the air. Where if you have the packets, every single thing you open is fresh. Is that-

Chervin Jafarieh:

I mean, it was a combination. That was on the top right there. Also, we’re offering therapeutic doses of nutrition. And so we really wanted to get exact on the dosage. There’s a lot of people that-

Michael Roesslein:

It takes the dosing out of the hand of the person, like, oh, this is a teaspoon-ish. I’m guilty of this. Anything that’s liquid, it says teaspoon, it’s like this much of a swig.

Chervin Jafarieh:

And it becomes versatile. It becomes a lot more versatile. I mean, people can travel with it, they can take it to-

Michael Roesslein:

Take it places.

Chervin Jafarieh:

A lot of these products, they’re shelf stable, but I like them in the fridge. And so what I do is, if you open my fridge, I have two … almost looks like clear shoe boxes and I have them stacked in there. And so it reminds me every time. How many times you open a refrigerator in a day? On average, 14 to 16 times, depending on who you are. That’s just sitting right there. They’re cool, they’re ready to go, they’re nice. So I love it.

Michael Roesslein:

Good strategy. Pro tip. Pro tip, get a fridge box for the products. Yeah, that’s a good idea. So we’ve got vitamin C. Vitamin C is not some secret thing that nobody’s heard of. This is not like the magic of the unheard of Shilajit, anything like that. This is a really well known, often supplemented, often recommended, even has tiptoed its way into mainstream medicine a little bit. I’ve seen a little bit of acknowledgement that high dose vitamin C can have effects on certain disease processes. I think it’s working into cancer treatments a little bit. I know it was working its way into pandemic treatments. I know that there’s been a lot of talk about it and people are familiar. It comes from citrus fruits, largely, and all these other things. So with all of that, why did you feel the need to create a vitamin C? And what about this vitamin C product, specifically, would be the reason to choose this one? Out of all the vitamin Cs that exist?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. I mean, vitamin C is synonymous with the orange. Everybody’s knows, they’ve heard the term vitamin C, but that’s just a word. What is this molecule? What is this antioxidant? What is it doing in the body? And so, vitamin C is just one of those things that are … it’s water soluble, which means it’s in and out of the body, which means you can take massive amounts of it and it’s not sitting around. I’ve heard of some serious, serious heroic doses of vitamin C when people are in a lot of trouble. And so I’ve always been a proponent of vitamin C for multiple reasons. It can act as a diuretic as well and get a lot of fluids out of the body that you don’t want.

               And so for me, it was like, okay, how do we crack the code and make the best vitamin C ever? And so our vitamin C comes from a fermentation process from cassava, and it actually uses the same pathways of manufacturing vitamin C as an orange would. It’s a very specific chemical equation that, how it works through that fermentation process. And so I would say, generally, most vitamin Cs on the market that are being sold are coming from corn. It’s a corn derivative. And there’s something to that. Most corn farms, you have no idea what they’re spraying in there, you have no idea. Even if it’s non GMO, it’s just one of those things that, corn’s just a-

Michael Roesslein:

And then, how are they extracting the … What’s the process of creating it and where’s that happening? I read, man, one of my first documentaries I watched 10, 15 years ago that pissed me off about the whole food situation, it was called King Corn. There’s a documentary called King Corn and it’s probably about 15 years old and it’ll speak to what he just said. The corn industry is not a place where you really want to find yourself sourcing ingredients.

Chervin Jafarieh:

No.

Michael Roesslein:

I’ll just leave it at that.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah. The resiliency of the corn, of hundred years of micro cropping and mono cropping and doing all the weird shit that they’ve been doing, it’s insanity levels. So we would just, okay, let’s make a vitamin C. Let’s just make it better and let’s make it of high quality and let’s make it with liposomes and let’s have an abundant amount of phosphatidylcholine in there. And let’s put it through a microemulsion and really make it-

Michael Roesslein:

What’s that? Can you stop for a sec? What phosphatidylcholine? Why? What is that?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Well, if you look at all of our liposomal products, that’s the base constitute is phosphatidylcholine. Which is, it’s a plant phospholipid and it acts as a barrier for the nutrients, through our technology, through our emulsion process. This is how we develop and manufacture liposomes. It’s the phosphatidylcholine that traps the nutrient within micro nano particulates. And then you eat that and you’re getting the nutrients within those particulates. And that is the key here, that’s how we make our liposomes. So I used to suggest people just take phosphatidylcholine on itself, because that’s a cell membrane powerhouse. I mean, just that in itself is just a massive win for the body. Brain, eyes, central nervous system, heart, liver. Choline and liver are synonymous with best friends. And so this vitamin C product has that. Also, another thing is, you’re getting a level of pH, a level of acidity in this product that you want. This whole alkaline, acid, alkalinity, all this stuff. Most of it’s hocus pocus.

               We don’t want to be drinking alkaline water from some kind of electrolysis machine all day [inaudible 00:17:23]. We need our gut to be at a certain acidic level, that’s our first line of defense. And I’m just talking about acids and pH at this point. Your first line of defense versus any pathogenic virus, any bacteria, any infection, whatever it is, is your gut. And it’s the pH of the gut, I’m not even talking about microbes in the large intestines and colon, I’m talking about the pH. And so, this product increases the hydrochloric acid production in the gut, similar as what an apple cider vinegar would do. And so that is another huge thing outside of its regulatory antioxidant capabilities. So it’s a phenomenal product. I usually slam one or two of those a day. It’s beautifying as well. It’s delicious. It’s one of our top sellers by far. I’ve had multiple, massive conglomerates ask me to white label it for them. I said nope.

Michael Roesslein:

You guys don’t do any white labeling?

Chervin Jafarieh:

I mean, I’ve done one or two for a couple really well established brands that are high end. And it makes sense for us to do it. But for the most part, no. [inaudible 00:18:38]. And so, all of our products are always evolving and playing with different things. So this will evolve, just like the last product will evolve. We’re constantly always finding ways to get better and better and better.

Michael Roesslein:

What’s the bamboo silica? Last question on this one, what’s the 400 milligrams bamboo silica?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yes. So I mean, silica and vitamin C, they merge together to create collagen. They basically advocate the ability of the body to produce collagen. Silica is the levitation mineral. It’s the mineral that binds everything in the body. It’s your beauty mineral. It’s your elasticity. And it’s not only on your skin and hair and nails, but it’s also in your organs. So it was kind of a no brainer to combine those two and bring that into a beauty aspect.

Michael Roesslein:

Perfect. Yeah, I liked that that was in there too. Because people take vitamin C a lot. And vitamin C serums for the skin, they put it on topically. So people know that vitamin C and the skin and the elasticity of the skin and aging is definitely playing in the same park. And the silica would amplify that quite a bit, I think. So we got, the last one here is …

Chervin Jafarieh:

This is a fan favorite. This is a cult following this product, yeah, this is …

Michael Roesslein:

I haven’t got a hold of one yet so my test for it is, how itchy is it going to make me?

Chervin Jafarieh:

No itch. Yeah, there’s no itch. That’s the whole thing.

Michael Roesslein:

That’s the test. That’s the test with topical magnesiums.

Chervin Jafarieh:

I should probably name it No Itch Topical Magnesium, but it’s just … I mean, look at that. I mean, that’s in a Miron bottle. Who puts their magnesium oil in Miron glass? Well, we do. I think we’re the only company in the world that’s using glass, let alone Miron glass, to hold magnesium oil. Everything else is in plastic. And why is that?

Michael Roesslein:

Can you tell us what that is? What is Miron glass and why is that a big deal?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Okay, so a big majority of our products that are not in packet forms are in Miron glass, from our Shilajit, to our B12, to our D3, K2, to our omega formula. They’re in Miron glass. And Miron glass, these are actually good friends of mine, Miron. They’ve developed a technology of glass that’s photo biomodulation in terms of, you can block out ultraviolet light. And so that is really important because light is a frequency and light can change and alter the compound properties of certain extracts that have been removed from their skin. Fruits, vegetables, lipids, fats, oils, carbon-based structures, DHA, omegas, whatever it is. Light is not supposed to hit these things and so that’s why we use Miron glass. And this product right here has just ran on fire. I barely even talk about it but once the women got hold of it, it’s just like, it’s a game changer.

               So what really separates us, you could see there’s a lot of ingredients in there, but the one main one, which is really helping with the itch is, I got DMSO in there. Dimethyl sulfoxide. And that’s a pretty, I would say, power move to put pharmaceutical grade DMSO in there. DMSO, if you don’t know, if you’re just listening to this, it’s basically a trans carrier mechanism. It has properties that can take something from outside the skin and immediately put it into the bloodstream. It’s medical in that situation. And it’s powerful. And to combine that with the chloride, magnesium chloride, which has an affinity to work transdermally, it just shuts down the whole itch process. The itch process is because your skin goes into a vasodilation and it’s trying to figure out, well, how do I get this in here?

               So all of a sudden, capillaries open and you have a histamine reaction and it vasodialates. Well, this product does it for you. It passes that process and it’s immediate. So when you spray it on you, you spray it all over your chest, on your shoulders, big body parts. Within 10, 15 seconds, it’s gone. And you don’t need to rub it in, you don’t need to do any of that stuff. And it’s got a nice finish. It’s lavender, and there’s a lot of other cool things in there, it’s a phenomenal product. I love that.

Michael Roesslein:

DMSO’s some powerful stuff, so for those out there who don’t know, it sucks things across the skin like nothing else. And just in general, what were you going for? I’m not going to go through each one of these synergistic ingredients, but I see ashwagandha in there, I see reishi mushroom, lavender, aloe, what was the overall … Even arnica, which is homeopathic pain and inflammation. Pretty powerful there. So I know people choose the topical magnesium often if it’s muscle soreness or tightness or things like that. And they want to have that kind of response. I see a lot of things on here that are not only, like the magnesium and stuff will do the muscle relaxation or the type of anti-inflammatory effect, but I see things in here that are pretty chill-out ingredients. So this is a good evening time, before bed type of addition, yeah?

Chervin Jafarieh:

Yeah, absolutely. I would suggest you can take it anytime, but depending on your lifestyle, but definitely in the evening. You take a hot bath or you take a shower, even without all that you can still use it. My only thing is, is if you’re wearing perfumes and colognes, and your body’s filled with chemicals and weird stuff, make sure you’re clean before you use that. And yes, the other ingredients in there, it’s really supporting the case that this is just really getting into the central nervous system and down regulating and putting you into parasympathetic, putting you into a calm state. It’s almost like a meditation. It’s incredible.

Michael Roesslein:

Awesome. Well, it’s definitely head and shoulders above the cheap magnesium sprays that you’re going to see sold out there that are leaving scaly film on you and itchy and all that kind of stuff. So this bypasses the absorption issue with magnesium too, so it’s just right into the body, right into the bloodstream with … A lot of people have trouble with absorption with magnesium and supplements. So this just bypasses that. So that covers all the products. The other video has eight of them, or five of them, we did three here. There’s eight total products we have in the shop. I’m really excited about it. I’m grateful for you to make the time to finish the video and hop on with us. I know you’re a busy guy and thanks for making such cool shit, man.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Thanks, bro.

Michael Roesslein:

It’s really, really high quality stuff. I don’t rave very often about very many … I’ve been asked for 10 years, “What’s your favorite this? Or what’s your favorite company for this? Or whatever.” And I hesitate often to rave about formulas or quality of products or companies. And you guys are doing it right and there’s some really, really high quality stuff in your line. And unique too, unique formulas that aren’t just the same, here’s a vitamin C. No, we put all this other stuff in it that makes it better.

               No, here’s glutathione. No, here’s other things in it that make it better. And I’ve seen your formulas change just in the six months I’ve been watching and paying attention and tracking them, to bring them into our shop and on our new site. And I even reached out to somebody on your side, Bryce, shout out Bryce. And I was like, “Hey dude, did this change? Did something change?” And he goes, “Yeah, they change all the time. We’re always going to make them better.” At first I was like, oh, that’s weird. And I’m like, wait, everyone should do that.

Chervin Jafarieh:

Right? What a concept.

Michael Roesslein:

It is weird. And it’s weird because no one does it, but everyone should do that.

Chervin Jafarieh:

And it’s difficult. It’s not easy, let me tell you. First of all, I appreciate your reflection, how you do anything’s how you do everything. That’s just how I live. And because we’re not regulated by a strict advisory board, and I’ll just give you some … I’ll finish this with this highlight. This is a privately owned company. I don’t have a board of financial obligations that I have to report to.

Michael Roesslein:

To answer to, yeah.

Chervin Jafarieh:

And fit their criteria and fit their metrics. And so for better or for worse, what that does is, it allows me and my team to be able to navigate our ability to scale properly. And also go off the fringe, outside of basic supplement development. And so it’s a difficult job when … You just change one ingredient and it creates a whole havoc down the line. We’ve mastered that process. My CEO wants to kill me, of course, but how you do anything is how you do everything. And I’m never in a position where I’m like, okay, I’m good. I’m constantly, constantly getting better and always trying to find a way to improve. And that’s what you’re going to have with Cymbiotika. And just wait until you see what’s coming. So, appreciate you.

Michael Roesslein:

Well, man, I’m visiting the States in a couple months and I’ll be coming back with a suitcase full of goodies. So now I have a new shopping list. But thanks, man. Good to chat with you, appreciate it, be well. Thanks for all the work.

Chervin Jafarieh:

All right, guys. Have a good one, take care.

 

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