New Partner Spotlight: BioImmersion

Michael Roesslein:

Today I’m really excited. BioImmersion products are something I’ve personally been utilizing and taking, and my wife since. I tried to figure it out. Based on where I know I was living when I had the conversation with Seann, I think it was 2009. I don’t know how long you guys have been, BioImmersion has been around, but that sounds about right. I think 2009 would be possible. You didn’t have as many products then.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Totally. We had a lot of products by then. I think we started in 204 or something like that.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. So it’s been 13 years. I’ve been using several of your products myself. I’ve always been a big fan of the incredible amount of education that you put out on your products and research. Your emails, I learn something every single day. Just the purity and the quality and the care that goes into the formulas, there’s no cutting corners. There’s no compromising. There’s no fillers and cheap ingredients and things like that. They’re really unique. I’m excited to be bringing some of them into our shop and to talk about those today. I feel like I know you because I’ve been reading your emails for 10 years, but for those who don’t, I’m going to do a little introduction and then we’ll talk a little bit about the company and your practices and your mission a little bit. And then we’ll go into the specific formulas that we’ve added to our shop and talk about those. It’ll be really fun.

               For over 30 years, Dr. Dohrea Bardell has straddled both the biological and the social sciences, working in the integrative medical community as well as researching diverse social issues, from the health status of nations to the state of world peace. Together with her husband Seann, she’s taught holistic health practices, consulting corporations, healthcare providers and individuals. Her nutraceutical company, BioImmersion, works in partnership with a global network of scientists, manufacturing experts, farmers, and physicians to design innovative food supplements. As the president of BioImmersion, she manufactures the Therapeutic Food Supplements for integrative medical practitioners, and as a Fellow at the Institute for Social Innovation at Fielding Graduate University, Dohrea combines her work in the medical and social fields in her research.

               She’s co-authored the book Living Well, Dying Well with Judy Stevens-Long and has written in the BioImmersion news blog articles on rebuilding our health by adhering to eco-farmed foods, clean environments, knowing which supplements to take, and using our consumer power to support socially just companies that care about the health of our planet. Today, she’s going to help us understand how to use five foundational Therapeutic Foods, how the products were designed and the science and scientists behind each formula. I’m also interested to have you come back on, maybe on my podcast and have a conversation about the other side of the work that you do because that sounds really interesting to me too. We’ll set that up and we’ll do that. Thank you for being here. Thank you for everything that you do. I guess I’ll let you tell your own story a little bit around the nutraceutical side of things. I saw a lot of words in there that you don’t hear that often of talking about farmers and teams of scientists and that level of care that goes into products. And so if you want to speak a little bit to that and what you’re really all about, we could start there.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Seann and I have been of course in the industry for over 30 plus years. And just to give you a little snippet of it, I don’t know if you’re aware of John Bastyr, Naturopathic University in Seattle. John Bastyr who founded the university was actually our family doctor. And so we know the president, Joe Pizzorno. We’ve been around for many years, have worked with many companies, consulted them, marketed their products, laboratories supplements. One day in medical convention, we were sitting around with doctors from the U.S., from Canada, from Germany and all of a sudden, one of the doctors, and he was a renowned doctor that other great doctors sent their patients to him. He was starting to share that he’s depressed. So many patients are very ill. He doesn’t know what to do. To hear that was a bit shocking to us because Seann and I are very positive about what can be done. And then other doctors started to also chime in and talk about how hard it is to heal the chronic conditions that their patients are having.

               On one hand, it was great to have such a heart to heart talk because doctors typically don’t have the chance to really open up and share what they’re feeling, how they’re doing. On the other hand, it started us on a long journey of grappling with issues such as what the heck do we do? What supplements are going to help them alongside their treatments, exercise, healthy lifestyles, letting go of chemicals? What do we do? And so it really took us a while. I have to say it plunged us into, I would say a few years of not knowing where to turn. We were working at the time, but we knew we needed to do something better. That’s how BioImmersion was actually born and the Therapeutic Food line. We knew that we needed some ingredients, substances that the body knows exactly what to do with. That it can take an ingredient and say, oh, I need it here, or I need it there. Which by the way, this is the reason why it takes a little bit longer with foods and our products to rebuild something.

               We want it for a certain symptoms, but the body is saying, wait a second, I need it over here actually more, because realize we’re not actually giving the body the kind of ingredients that the body can take and rebuild organs and systems and cells with. And since every cell in the body dies and then gets rebuilt, rejuvenated or regenerated actually, we need good materials in the body to rebuild good cells. This is the essence of chronic illnesses. And I know that many of us right now are grappling with our health. Conditions, maybe one or two. The statistics are overwhelming in terms of what’s happening out there. Some of us are in great shape, but we want to feel better. Some of us are not in great shape. We’ve been searching and searching. We’ve been trying all sorts of doctors and supplements and treatments. And so we were at that stage ourselves and doctors oftentimes are at that stage themselves. Being that we primarily have worked with doctors, we know that they suffer as much as everybody else. And so the Therapeutic Foods, the whole line was born out of that need. Any question, Michael, please interrupt me in the middle if you need.

Michael Roesslein:

No, you’re on a roll. I don’t want to interrupt that.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I am on a roll. I know. We love it.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. And the quality of the ingredient. I mean, the first conversation I had with Seann about, I don’t know, 13 years ago now was, I mean, he was telling me how the blueberries for one of the products were harvested and where these things are coming from. The level of connection between the source of the ingredients and the product that’s going out was something that I’d never seen before. Some of the formulas were just really unique. What’s gotten me over the last 10 years is literally almost every day, I get an email from you guys that has some sort of education around something in it and it’s always relevant. I mean, we have our writers that are going to look at your emails to help us educate on your products because there’s so much content there that it’s like each product.

               I’ve probably received 20, 30 emails about over the years that you could put into a booklet about each one and where it comes from and with this ingredient and the research behind this and the studies here. It’s just I’ve never seen anything like it. It really I think probably gives a lot of confidence to practitioners that use the products and enables them to provide education around them, which is what we’re trying to do here. What we try to do is make sure that our community is educated enough to make the right decisions and understands the best uses and what’s going to do what and who might be a good candidate to use which products.

               And so the ones that I chose, we have a lot of interest in gut health and probiotics and gut healing. That’s been the primary focus of our work for 10 years. We already have a lot of gut-focused products, but you have a couple unique formulas that I really liked that, one, incorporates a lot of polyphenols and other goody plant things that you can get into. And the other one is more of a post or paraprobiotic that has, which we did a webinar on a few months ago. We introduced one product that’s both of those terms are used, paraprobiotic, postprobiotic, that we introduced that concept and we had a lot of interest in it. I like that formula a lot too. Then we have the sulforaphane, which I think is pretty well known in the health world now, but it wasn’t a while back when I started taking that one. The minerals, I take every morning. I take it right when I wake up. Then what’s the fifth one? There’s a fifth one. I’ll find it.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

No. 7, High ORAC have it all.

Michael Roesslein:

No. 7.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I have it all for you.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Systemic Booster No. 7, which is like, if you just want one thing that’s going to incorporate a whole bunch of stuff into one scoop, you can throw in a drink in the morning. Because people have asked me for that. They’re like, what protein shake should I take? Or what greens powder? They want a thing in the morning to put in some water and drink that will help them a lot. It’s generally not a protein powder. You guys have fit more stuff into that scoop than any single, I don’t know what to call that, multivitamin meets probiotic meets polyphenols meets who knows what? I chose those products because I think they’re all amazing and that they fit needs that people have asked for in our community. People are interested in minerals. People are interested in an all in one. They love new and innovative types of probiotics. And detox is a big topic that gets brought up every time that I ask, what do you guys want? Products or whatever. They bring up detoxification, antioxidants, anti-inflammatory. The sulforaphane is a powerhouse with that. You had mentioned you wanted, did you want me to do a screen share?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yes. Let me just talk one more point and then we can do the screen share. You mentioned the blueberries. We work with James Joseph around that. I’ll mention him later in the No. 7. But we were actually kicked out of three manufacturing houses trying to make this product because we wanted it done in a very specific way. It was such a pain for them to do it. It created these huge purple clouds everywhere in their manufacturing rooms, but we figured it out. It is a pain to make these products because they are so pure and so potent. We don’t put any other ingredients to make it easier on our manufacturing partners so it does-

Michael Roesslein:

Purple cloud, it’s really good for your brain. Tell them to go in there and just breathe the cloud.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I know. It was a nightmare for them to clean. In regards to science, you brought such a good point, Michael. We don’t actually have teams of research scientists. They’re a different breed than PhDs that are working in a commercial world more or that are teaching in universities. Research scientists in laboratories or working in the field are very different. You rarely have them in integrative medical conventions and you actually rarely have doctors speaking at scientific conventions because during those conventions, what the scientists do is simply present their latest paper, the latest research that they have conducted. And so each of them is so focused on one topic and they do it for years, which is great. We worked with these scientists that have done that on very specific products. At the same time, because they’re so narrowly focused, it’s hard for them to see the whole puzzle of health.

               This is really one of the things that we’re working on is that we don’t have that huge perspective on healthcare as result of that. Bringing teams together to actually design a product, the farmers included and the manufacturing people that some of them of course could not withstand us, but we found the partners that are willing to talk with one another actually. And to talk about, hey, by the way, this batch is not high enough. We just tested it for the third time and we need to change the batch. And so we go back and forth between everyone. It’s really amazing to see people communicate and actually care about you, that you get the potency that will work in your body the way it’s supposed to work in your body. And so with that, let’s start with the Supernatant and share the screen so I can tell you about this amazing product. Michael, you mentioned about postbiotic, parabiotic. This is a great point. The Supernatant, we started with this product years ago. We worked with Jayco Conev who was one of the pioneers actually. Let’s click.

Michael Roesslein:

Let me just make sure everybody can see this real quick. Anyone that’s on live, can you please drop in the chat that you can see the screen? Okay, good. All right. Because my view of everything is very limited when I’m the screen sharer. In the shop, if you go to the shop, you can click any of the… There’s a scrolly thing at the top that has every brand of product. If you click it, each company has its own little shop. So that was the BioImmersion shop. You can find all products through there. This is the Supernatant Synbiotic. What would you like to show? This?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I think we’ll start here. Yeah, that will be great. People could see the different, the probiotics, the prebiotic, the Supernatant. And yes, parabiotic and postbiotic. Michael, that is the Supernatant. The amazing part about it when we started with Jayco, hardly anybody talked about Supernatant.

Michael Roesslein:

What is that? Can you define that a little bit for the audience of what this means, what we’re even talking about?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yes. That’s what we call the Sup, as you culture the probiotics, they excrete all sorts of things. That’s the Supernatant. We take it, we separate it from the probiotics. We freeze dry it. And then we add it to the freeze dried probiotics. We call it the sup. It has so many things in it, from antimicrobial agents to vitamins and minerals and metabolites of all sorts, short-chain fatty acids, you name it, it’s there. It is so nourishing. What actually Jayco found out is that the supernatant is amazing for the immune system. It boosts the immune system and it fights actually serious infections like C. difficile. He worked with animals on that. And then we decided together with him and then also a manufacturer, a person that really knew how to grow probiotics in a way that makes them potent. When you do it with the supernatant, it’s much more natural actually than without, although either way it works.

               The supernatant was developed for us to go to hospitals, present the product, because what happens in hospitals that you go there for a surgery or a procedure and you get incredible GI disturbance or infection in fact that creates diarrhea, fever. And so as Michael is scrolling down, you could see the different things that I’ve put in there for your information to talk about, actually, what can be done with the supernatant. We are using it for every possible infection that you can imagine. We call it immunobiotics. As you could see, the postbiotic, parabiotics, and supernatant, there is a great argument now that scientists are actually talking about it, finally. Now we need to define it a little bit in a more exacting way. There are two groups of scientists that are going back and forth about, do you call supernatant when you add some dead bacteria to it, dead probiotics? And you know, that’s also a great use. Or is that actually more of a postbiotic? And so that’s the argument and it’s back and forth. It will take a while for them to settle on one thing, and really how we-

Michael Roesslein:

It doesn’t matter who wins the argument or what it’s called.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

It does not matter.

Michael Roesslein:

Like most arguments.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

But how we settle these kinds of definitions is that the more scientists cite a certain paper and by cite, I mean that they’re saying this group of scientists like Jayco Conev, and then they cite that paper, the research that they’ve done. This is how they define supernatant, and then slowly it builds up until we’re using that term. And often time actually it happen that later on, we realize, wow, that’s not a good term to use actually and then switch the term. So that happens for us in the scientific field. The beauty about the supernatant is that it actually works on these infections. By the time we got to Jayco, he’s already been doing research in Purdue University for about 20 years. Michael, if you go to the research tab, I think that we see all the different amazing things. The suggested research, yes. You could see the antimicrobial effect that it has.

               And then as you scroll down, you could see the immune boosting property that it has. It also is a great probiotic to use to oomph other probiotics. And so people are saying, well, should I use this probiotic or that probiotic? Our typical answer is that you could actually use both. You can use both on the same day because what you’re introducing is a diversity of probiotics that are going to enter into the GI track and start communicating and actually start building up the environment in a way that discourages other microorganisms that are not so good for us to thrive. That’s really the idea is to create a community of organism or what we call the microbiota. That’s the neighborhood in your GI tract that work together harmoniously and then create such a calm environment that your whole body relaxes into better health. Let me see if I have other notes in-

Michael Roesslein:

So this one’s primarily, it’s really good for balancing, regulating immune system, immune reactions. And then you recommend it for practitioners who are dealing with people with complex infections and things like C. diff and all that type of gut infection situations. So great for infections, great for cleaning house a little bit. Also for, I know that the paraprobiotic and postprobiotic type metabolites and things tend to have an immune regulatory effect that we don’t fully understand the mechanism of, but it tends to regulate and balance the immune system a little bit. Maybe people sensitive to different things, this helps with immune regulation balance. I saw some, here, modulators, epigenetic changes. I see inflammatory bowel disease and mucositis. Mucositis is an inflammatory. So it’s a lot about balance between immunity and microbiota. Who’s the prime candidates for the supernatant?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

We used to suggest it really only for people that dealt with all sorts of really intense-

Michael Roesslein:

Infections.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

[inaudible 00:25:09] issues. And then as we had doctors use them, we realized that supernatant is really great for flu, for cold, and it’s great for yeast infections for women. When you travel, we say the first thing that you do right before you get on the airplane and then if you have a long flight, take it again after a few hours. It’s amazing protector and it also cuts the time of sinus infection, cold, flu, sore throat. And if you have a sore throat, my suggestion is actually to open up the capsule and just mush it in your mouth because that wakes up the probiotic, first of all, immediately in your mouth and then it slowly goes down. It also wakes up your own immune system when you’re mushing it in your mouth. It really helps with the ORNs, it helps to soothe that whole area and deal with the infection overall.

               And so also for autistic disorder, you could see that in the suggested dose. Our protocol actually is to use that alongside the glucosinolate and sulforaphane product, which is shown in research to be amazing for autistic disorders. Then you can absolutely use it as your everyday probiotic. We have people that are using it to the point where if we are in the middle of production and ran out and production is longer, which is the case when you make more complicated products, they just freak out. And so we have taught them to relax about probiotics, to be able to take other products that have the Supernatant in it like the High ORAC, which is our next product that we’re going to talk about.

Michael Roesslein:

I will jump to that one.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

And even relax into the No. 7, which Michael, you talked about it as everyday product and I agree with you. It’s a wonderful product. Unfortunately-

Michael Roesslein:

Looks like we’re waiting on some High ORAC right now.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yeah, we are, but it’s going to be available actually next week. Yay. We were waiting with the High ORAC, believe it or not, on one probiotic that was very hard to find. And because of all the supply chain phenomena happening. And if you could click on the supplement facts, that we can take a look, I think of the bottle or do you have it written here? It’s a little different than mine.

Michael Roesslein:

I’m not sure.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yeah. This one, this is great. You could see all the-

Michael Roesslein:

Hold on. I have it down here.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Oh, the label. Great job. The new-

Michael Roesslein:

So it looks like there’s grape seed extract, wild blueberry, quercetin, resveratrol, wild bilberry, cranberry, tart cherry, prune, raspberry seeds, strawberry. Those are all the phytonutrients. I have a big monitor so it’s easier for me to read than it might be for some people. Then it’s got the probiotics, prebiotics, and the supernatant in there as well. I’m guessing then the difference is the Supernatant Synbiotic, the product has more supernatant and less of the phytonutrients in it, right? Like this one’s heavy on the phytonutrients, the berries and the plants and the other one is heavy on the supernatant.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Exactly. Probiotics actually love, love, love polyphenols. There is a magical interaction between polyphenols and probiotics. It took us a while to figure that one out. We created the High ORAC to actually help people that are taking a lot of antibiotics or maybe just once in a blue moon. But the result of the body just dealing with after antibiotic therapy is not really easy. It kills all the probiotics in the gut, that’s what antibiotics do. And so of course the question there is, do you take it during antibiotic or post antibiotic? And that’s a lot of doctors do both. The High ORAC though is very unique. ORAC is the Oxygen Radical Absorbent Capacity. In other words, it’s the antioxidant ability to neutralize free radical. But ORAC is also amazing for anti-inflammatory and conditions.

               As you know, that’s the big thing now. It has been for quite a while. I’ll talk more about it when we get to the No. 7, which is an amazing product in itself. But the High ORAC is a true powerhouse. It’s one of those products that sneaks up on you. It is so amazing. 40,000 ppm I think is what we have in there. I have to see, yes, 40,000 units of total ORAC, it’s the highest on the market. And so we wanted a product that really calms the gut because you have pain after antibiotic therapy. Some people have not done antibiotic but are dealing with continual bloating and uncomfortable feeling in the gut. And so that was our question, what can we do to calm the gut, to ease up that horrible uncomfortable feeling? What can we do also for women that have a terrible yeast infection after antibiotic or that just comes out of nowhere? And that’s how we started to think through the High ORAC.

               And so the polyphenols, and as you know, we talk a lot about the polyphenols. About 10, 15 years ago, when we started, hardly anybody talking about polyphenols. Now it’s something that we see over and over again, research after research, which is why Michael gets so much from us, all the research articles, because we’re just so enthused about what the research is showing that these amazing polyphenols can do. It’s not just antioxidant ability, but they also-

Michael Roesslein:

They serve as prebiotics too, right? It feeds the good organisms.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Exactly. And surprisingly, also antimicrobial. A lot of people did not know that. We did not know that when we actually started to design the product. But this is one of the reason it worked so well because together with the probiotic, then you have double the action of the going after yeast and other organisms as well. As you know, the supernatant can go after all sorts of organisms. This is why we combined this polyphenol with high, super high ORAC to be able to not just kill and go after other not so good organisms, but to calm the gut as we are doing a kill. Typically, the reason we say yes, take it with antibiotics is because the body is so uncomfortable when it is on any regime that is after other organism. When you’re killing in the body, you are creating such an imbalance in the gut.

               As you know, the gut is our second brain. A lot of the nervous system is in the gut. And so I’m sure you’ve heard about The Second Brain book and we’ll deal with that a little bit later. I think I wrote the name of the author, if you do not have that book. But we wanted something that would actually just calm that whole dysbiosis condition in the gut. By doing so, to actually brighten your brain, the way that you think, your mind, and your ability to not live your life in the fog. So if you have a foggy brain condition, this is your product along with the No. 7. And that we found actually later on as we delved more into research and then talked with our doctors as to all the good things that they were doing with the High ORAC. And if you go for the research, Michael, the supporting research tab, you can see all-

Michael Roesslein:

There’s enough here for 20 webinars.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I know. I know. It’s a little overwhelming. Sorry about that, all the air conditionings. We actually have a heat wave that is going on, dealing with that global warming evidently.

Michael Roesslein:

We’ve had one for two months here.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Oh wow.

Michael Roesslein:

So I think they can stop calling it a heat wave now.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yeah. Right.

Michael Roesslein:

It’s just what summer is now.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

This is what summer is for us as well. We worked with a great scientist to develop this product, ZB, that’s his name. I cannot pronounce his last name. I’ve tried. Actually, his first name is so complicated for me, but that’s how he calls himself is ZB so that’s easy. A wonderful scientist from Poland, and together with him and some other scientists, we designed this product. Every year we have more research that comes up that we’re thinking, wow, this product is even more powerful than we have imagined years ago when we designed it with ZB. And we can go to how we use it. I think that’s your suggested dosage, right? Yeast infection, sports, exercise. This is because the High ORAC with its 40,000 ppm is amazing for the body to just open up things and clean things up, which athletes as you know really need.

               And so for athletes, we suggest to take it about an hour or so before they start exercise or before a competition, if they’re allowed to take supplements. And of course, work with their physician around the timing and how much of it to take. I suggest about one to two, depending on how long your antibiotic therapy has been or what you’re trying to actually kill in the body to take one or two capsules a day. If it’s a lot, a longer antibiotic, then start with two a day for a week or so to just give it a great oomph and then move to one a day until everything starts to balance in your body.

Michael Roesslein:

Does it need to be with food?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

You can take it with food. You can take it without food.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay. Same with the other. I forgot to ask.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Exactly. They’re very stable, that’s the beauty about them. And remember, again, if you have anything that is brain related, we suggest this product as well. The wild blueberry, quercetin.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, the wild blueberry.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Wild bilberry, all of these for the brain.

Michael Roesslein:

Neurodegenerative disease and cognitive. That’s my situation. I have a history of head injuries. I have several concussions in my life from sports and other crazy things I did. And so I’ve done a ton of research around that. That’s how I found, the blueberries was the first thing I ever got from you guys, the blueberry extract. I was looking for things that were really potent for neurodegenerative situations, because I don’t want to develop early dementia and Alzheimer’s due to my brain injuries or worse. So this stuff is all super brain friendly right here. So if you’re looking to kill two birds, one stone, help gut, antioxidant and something for the brain. This would be a good place to start. I’m going to go.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Exactly. Now let’s go to the No. 7 because it naturally flows into the No. 7. The No. 7 has it all as Michael mentioned. This one took us a while actually to produce. We had a version of it when we started, but we realized as time progressed that we needed something very powerful. At that point, I think that our government went from three to five servings of fruits and vegetables a day to eight to 12. Europe was all over doing at least 12. But who eats 12 servings of fruits and vegetable a day?

Michael Roesslein:

I’ve tried. It’s a lot of food.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

That’s a lot of food. You’re eating all day long. And so by the way, that’s where the High ORAC comes in because you are getting that intense, intense ORAC value in there that comes from fruits and vegetables. You get the variety of berries and fruits which are so important. Here, we actually added also the greens and the green leafy vegetables and vegetables like beetroot. And you know how important nitrates are for our body, they relax blood vessels, they bring in the oxygen. It’s a good clean out of the highest degree. It’s so important for so many functions for our brain, for energy, for exercise. It bring oxygen to tissues. And so we thought in here, how can we design a product that can help the body rejuvenate? As you know, every cell in our body of course has to regenerate.

               And so how do we regenerate our body in a way that our health actually increases? And so if it takes a certain amount of months for the liver to totally regenerate every cell in the body, how can we feed the liver in a way that it has the exact ingredients that it need to regenerate and rejuvenate in a healthy fashion? And so you could see now Michael, why it took us so long to design these, to talk with so many different scientists, and to debate with ourselves, do we add this vegetable, that vegetables? But we decided to stick with the ones that we have. You could see that we have a little bit different than the High ORAC. We have the strawberry, the raspberry, the blueberry, tart cherry, elderberry, cranberry, apple extract. We’ll talk about that in the energy, but the apple extract, as we learn from some scientists from Italy actually is amazing to boost your energy.

               And so we decided to bring that in. We also have pineapple, which has so many enzymes in it and helps the digestions and calm the system down. Beet, kale leaves, spinach leaves, and broccoli florets. We’ll talk more about the broccoli, but as we know, broccoli is the super food of the century alongside the berries, especially the blueberries and it does so much. At first, we thought about it just for the liver, for the phase 2 enzyme, to be able to detoxify but gently, the liver. We don’t want a big detoxification mess to happen in the body. We just want you to feel good as you go through whatever function the liver needs to do to be able to help you remain healthy. And so we have the exact amount in this product to just gently move things along the body. So the glucosinolates and sulforaphane of course is a potent phytonutrient.

               Besides the fact that it helps with the liver, there is tons of research that it is amazing for protection against all sorts of cancers. And so this is one of the things that we really got into. That’s a great summary in there for the No. 7 by the way, the research on that is incredible. And if you just have a little bit of time, just click on one of the research article just to get acquainted with what it takes to actually design a product. Now let’s talk about longevity. Longevity is actually not the feel good anti-aging that we used to think about a while ago. Longevity is the study of chronic illnesses or the root causes of chronic illnesses. Let’s see, who is my favorite guy in here? Caldwell is one of them that did a fantastic job on bringing the micro and macro inflammation in the body, which is the root of so many diseases. I have a really, I don’t know if I can find it in here.

               I have a really cool little something from 1913 author, which in the life of me right now, I cannot find. But he called it at that point, tiny little irritations in the body that continue on and on for years that create disease. That was in 1913. That means that inflammation in fact is totally at the root of causing so many different illnesses. And so Caldwell and his team called it the inflammaging and immunosenescence. It’s like aging in here is not so much about how we look but more the diseases that start to happen as a result of inflammation. And so we got deep into the whole field of longevity, and that’s one heck of a large field of research. And in that field, you have so many other fields. You have the scientists that work with the immune system, scientists that work with food. Biologists in there. You have physics that look at all sorts of things around them.

               You have so many different scientists that for a while, it was confusing to work in that field before we found our path and started to follow specific scientists that had the amazing gift of pulling things together and putting the different pieces of the puzzle to create a clearer picture of what we’re dealing around chronic illnesses. And so yes, we started No. 7 as a systemic booster to feed all sorts of organs and to help you to feel better. And as we got into the research, we realized, you know what, we need to design a product that deals with the root cause of chronic illnesses. That’s how powerful this product is. And so that’s slowly how No. 7 emerged. By, I think it was in 2018 that we finally brought these product out reimagined with 10 organisms, the Supernatant, whereas the Supernatant has five organisms and so does the High ORAC. This product has 10 organisms from the simple thought that we need some diversity and we need to hit the anti-inflammation process harder. Another thing with these-

Michael Roesslein:

I see chromium in here, blood sugar support. I see fructo borate, joints and other hormonal support. You don’t really have any bases that aren’t covered in this one. B12 energy.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

We have it all in this product. It really is amazing. And to find out of course, that it deals with inflammation on such a fundamental way and to bring it out in 2018 was amazing for us. I would say that if you have the time to read the description, then go for it. I think that you actually, you have it, the description more in the research part, Michael. Yeah, the literature-

Michael Roesslein:

This is a lot.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

There is a lot there. You could see how much time we have spent.

Michael Roesslein:

This has got to be about 50 pages if it were written of just research articles.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

And that’s just what we chose here. We didn’t actually bring the whole pile of research that we were immersed in. It was actually fun to be honest to design it. The fructo borate is amazing also for the lungs and for energy to really boost your energy. We use it for sports as well. Talking about sports, let’s talk about energy. That’s one of the products, Michael, that you take every day. I’m so glad about it. So many of us get up in the morning and we just are not feeling that great. Some of us get up in the morning and we’re like, wonderful. Everything is great. We’re like really going for it. And then three, four hours later, we are dragging. We just don’t have the energy. This is what the product is supposed to do. Supposed to pick you up in the morning if you are one of those people that gets up and you don’t have the energy, or take it in the afternoon if you need a little bit of a boost of energy. But why is this working so well? This product was designed in fact to bring in as many minerals as possible in a way that is absorbed in the body. And so here it is, 72 trace minerals. And by the way, it’s from 260 million years ago, the reptile age, and so it’s well composted mineral.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. You can say that.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Fermented to the nth degree. Your body just absorb it so easily. As you know, the minerals that we get from rocks can have toxicity to them. So this product is amazing in terms of the research as well. And ZB, by the way, was one of the research scientist that helped us design these product. The apple extract, we’ve been thinking about it for a while. We only had the 72 minerals in these product that we just called it ultra minerals. People of course got used to it, but we wanted to do something to create even more of an intense ATP production for energy and to strengthen the body. As you know, ATP is needed by every cell in the body. We need energy to do everything. Every little things that is happening in your body needs the energy to do it. And so we listen to the scientists from Italy and then worked to create a blend that produces the kind of energy that we can use for everyday life and for sports, because we had a lot of athletes that came to us and say, okay, I’m taking your probiotics. It’s great.

               I’m taking the polyphenols. It’s great. I am doing this and that, but I need a boost. I need more of like a boom, here it is. That’s what the apple extract actually does. It gives you that oomph and it gives it to you more immediately. And so together, and there is research on this that was done with athletes to make sure that the product actually work. We did it with the placebo control group and then we did it with others who were getting it. They did not know who is getting what. The Joy, J. M. that you just, right there in the top is one of the, exactly one of the people that was part of it. They call it by the way, ancient peat, because it’s a mucky thing that then gets processed and then the minerals are extracted out of it. I know Michael, you take it in the morning, right?

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. Right when I get up, it’s part of the stuff I take right when I wake up.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Right, when you wake up. And so if your energy sucks in the afternoon, that’s another good time to take it. About 20 minutes before you go out for your run or whatever exercise that you do, you can take extra energy. Because it is ultra minerals, you are not overdoing it. It’s for endurance and strength. So if you are lifting weights actually, this is a fantastic product for you.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. I’ve taken it a long time. It’s part of my morning routine. I’m actually out right now and I’m picking up, my wife is in the states and she’s flying back tomorrow and I’m picking her up in Rome. She’s got like three bottles of it in her luggage, along with a whole bunch of other stuff. That’s how we get things from there to here is somebody visiting, because it’s a nightmare to try to ship stuff here. So we have like a whole suitcase full of supplements when people go back or forth. Visitors can bring us that, and then they get to bring home goodies from Italy in that extra bag so it works out for everybody.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

We love them.

Michael Roesslein:

All right. So then we’re going to sulforaphane. You can teach me what glucosinolate is because I didn’t know before I read about this product. I’m familiar with sulforaphane. I think a lot of people are. This is the goodies that are in broccoli sprouts. Everybody now knows about broccoli sprouts and broccoli. Maybe a little bit Nrf2 in this audience, maybe. sulforaphanes are not a secret anymore about what they can do, that broccoli sprouts have the highest concentrate of them. I have actually grown broccoli sprouts at home. I was before we moved. We haven’t restarted it here in addition to taking supplemental. But I had a little box that we grew them in. It says right here, fourfold increase in phase 2 enzyme potential. I’ll let you explain what we got going on here.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

The glucosinolates and sulforaphanes, it really is a powerhouse. It has 15,000 ppm, parts per million of the glucosinolates, which actually, Michael, Seann just wanted to be really exacting here and just talk about the process from glucosinolates to sulforaphanes. And so that’s how it happens in the body. We had, in fact, one of the doctors told us that the name glucosinolate and sulforaphane is going to be a nightmare to market. Nobody can pronounce it.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah, I can now type it without looking back at it after we’ve done so much on the back end to get it on here. For the first little while I had to keep opening the other tab and making sure I was spelling everything correctly. So glucosinolates in the body are converted into, what is the process there that Seann was particular about?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

There are all sorts of enzymes that have to react with other enzymes. As you could see, we have the potential in here for the sulforaphane of 4,000 ppm, which is really very, very high. We simply wanted to show people all the different molecules that need to react with other molecules or enzymes to actually create sulforaphane. That’s the real simple story of that. I tell you, I cannot even pronounce some of the enzymes.

Michael Roesslein:

That’s okay.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

But I just know that because it is food and because broccoli sprouts are so easily absorbed, they are easily digested that the body is actually able to utilize these products so, so well. We’ve had some great results with this product.

Michael Roesslein:

What does sulforaphane do? Why do we want more of it?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

We want more for our liver. I mean, that’s the foundational need in our body. Everything goes through the liver. It’s gentle in terms of the detox, the phase 2. It actually, if I’m not mistaken, it’s phase 1 and phase 2 enzyme that it is that powerful but it’s not just that. Sulforaphanes are showing tremendous benefit to protect us against all different kinds of, here, you’re getting into the enzyme in here.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. I’m seeing the process, it’s all in here. So if you guys go to the site and look at the description on these products, you’ll have plenty to read. It’s more than we could ever cover in a webinar. It’s so much information. Sulforaphane, when people ask me if I’m going to take one thing, or if they ask any question related to detoxification or protection against toxins or inflammation. Because sulforaphanes, they trigger an anti-inflammatory cascade as well like broccoli sprouts. I kind of cringe when I hear people say super food a lot because there’s a lot of things that are given that label and broccoli sprouts are one for sure.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yes. This is your foundational essential supplement. It’s corrective as well because our supplements are in the corrective category. Doctors are using them in their protocols. We can’t really advertise it as such because of the regulations here. But it is good for the heart. It is good for the brain. We talked about autism earlier. I have had some email and research that went out to all of our doctors and Michael that shows the amazing results that they’ve gotten actually with autism. And also the brain, as I mentioned just a second ago, it really takes away that fog. It helps you with cognition. It’s chemo preventative, by the way. In other words, when you’re going through some other treatments, this is the supplement to take. I would add for that alongside the No. 7, as Michael says, it has everything in it to help you go through these extreme treatments and to really come out on the other side with a body that is functioning well. And so if you go to the suggested dosage, I think that we talk about, and we don’t have the liver phase 1 detox. I’m going to do some more emails on that, just what you want.

Michael Roesslein:

That’s okay. Yeah, yeah, no, we’re really going to mine your emails and take information from them to share because I’m kind of joking about the emails but I’m not. I do read most of them. There’s very few email lists I’m on that email me every day that I actually open their emails and read them. It’s an incredible amount of research and evidence and studies and yeah, it’s just really impressive. There’s more information on these products in our shop than there are on the 45 other products in the shop put together.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yes. Typical for us, of course. And that’s by the way, Michael, the result of working as a team, working with scientists, working with doctors, working with farmers who tell us all sorts of things about their crops and working with manufacturing people that tell us what’s possible, what’s not. And then we push them a little bit and then they go, okay, okay, we can do this. It’s actually amazing to work this way to create supplements for you, to create supplements that actually work in the body, that the body knows what to do, that it can take these beautiful ingredients, beautiful foods and use it therapeutically. And so the glucosinolates and sulforaphanes, I would use that every day. I do use that every day. To finish with that, by the way, we had a whole bunch of scientists that help us with this product and farmers that told us the amount of days that it takes for the broccoli sprouts to achieve that peak level of glucosinolate so they can be converted to sulforaphanes.

Michael Roesslein:

Beautiful. This is in our luggage too. It’s on its way here. We ran out of both of them so they’re coming.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I love it.

Michael Roesslein:

And then we’re bringing enough of things that I go back in October, at the end of October. We’re bringing two months of stuff. And then I go back and then there’s always somebody. So the people at the airport probably think we’re nuts, but I need my stuff. So we’ve got the sulforaphane. This is just really, really great overall detox and DNA. There’s DNA protective capacities to it and anti-inflammatory. It’s been a staple when Mira was going through her autoimmune flares. We threw this into the protocol at a pretty high level in high dose, but it’s all food-based so it’s much different than taking something with all kinds of synthetic vitamins and minerals and all of that in it and it’s gentler. The body knows what to do with this stuff. I found these types of products to have a lot less potential for people to overdo it really easily or get reactions to it. It’s much more in natural alignment.

               I want to point out, I didn’t think of it until now when I saw it on here. Other ingredients, cellulose and water, capsule shell. That’s the other ingredients on all the products so that’s what you get. There’s no other things you can’t pronounce or fillers or all the other types of things that are in products with theirs. That’s why somebody introduced me to them in the first place, because I was looking for a product line that didn’t have mag stearate and a couple other things in it. Theirs was the only one I found that made multiple products in multiple categories. It was a full line of products. I found companies that sold one or two made one product and they did it clean, but I didn’t find any that were full lines that had no added ingredients in there.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

By the way, we have spoken to other owners of companies. We know the owners of every major supplement companies because we’ve been around for so long. We told them, get these things out. You really need to do things in a clean fashion. It’s taking us at least 15 years to talk to them. Now we’re starting to see actually companies taking out all sorts of things. Not as much as we would like it to be, but it’s getting a little bit better out there but not as pure. They add other things that they say is a little bit better, but I think we are as an industry moving to that in general, being optimistic here.

Michael Roesslein:

I think so. More people are asking for it, which is what really moves the needle. More people are aware that they want cleaner things.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

They do. Yeah.

Michael Roesslein:

We’ve only got a few questions. Andy wants to know if you publish identified strain numbers or if there’s, I don’t know what that means specifically. I’m guessing on the very specific strains of the different organisms. Is there a way to access that information somewhere?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

You know, yes, there is. I’ll need to go back to the exact numbers. We actually forged a relationship with ATCC. That’s the largest repository of all sorts of organisms in the world. This is what research institutions actually call upon and get their organisms to do research on. We had a huge meeting with them. All the executives were there, all the way to the CEO, the vice president, president came. We had a big lunch, about 20 people and ourselves to discuss the fact that it’s not really the number that matters. Because at this point of the game, companies simply put the number that they want that is their commercial number on the probiotic strain but the strains are all the same, right? It’s the same lactobacillus. So what you actually are looking for is the identity and making sure that when you do get the organisms, that you are able to identify the organism.

               And so that’s where you have the expertise of laboratories and scientists that work specifically to identify the exact organism, so when you put it on your label, you say exactly what it is. Is it a sub specie or is it a species? It’s the commercialism versus the scientific method of thinking about organism. I think as time progresses and less commercialism occurs that we will get more and more the correct names. Because imagine if there is one organism with 30 different names, how hard that is to actually do research on? You’re doing research on this name, but really all these 29 other names also fit within that research and can be used for the purpose that the research was designed for in terms of healing something in the body. And so that’s why it’s important that we all call it one name. I hope that helped.

Michael Roesslein:

Perfect. Very thorough. If somebody has questions that I can’t answer for you going forward or anything, we can connect you with their side and you can ask questions directly. I’ll get Dr. Bardell’s email or someone from your team, we’d be happy to share it and we can get more in-depth information. Somebody asks, “Is anyone of these supplements recommended for chronic osteoarthritis? Thank you for your comprehensive presentation.” I answered to look into your fructo borate product, which is not in our shop yet, but that one would be my first quick answer. I know the fructo borate, I think, is in the systemic booster as well. But if you have a different answer, it could be the products we went over today that are in our shop, or it could be any products in your line that you know-

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

We’ll do it. I actually typically suggest people to do the No. 7, to be honest. Mainly because of the interaction between the polyphenols and the probiotics and the fructo borate, it also has the B12, the vitamin D, the chromium, all very important for any joint health. If you need a little bit of a boost, then yeah, Michael for sure can bring you the fructo borate and arrange it with me very easily. But I would begin with the No. 7 for sure, because you have a complete protocol in the No. 7.

Michael Roesslein:

Are your products free of dairy, soy, grain, things like that?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Oh my God, yes.

Michael Roesslein:

All right. I figured as much, but I didn’t want to answer for you. Which of those two probiotics, if someone came to you with chronic constipation would you think might be more likely to help? Now constipation, I mean, this is a question having done gut health things for 10 years on here with lots of various experts, there’s a lot of different root causes of constipation. And so my answer to that would be dependent on what we’re dealing with regarding. Is somebody dehydrated? Are there mental, emotional and trauma issues? Is it a nervous system thing? Is there explored vagus nerve stuff? There’s a lot that goes into constipation and motility beyond supplements, but are there either of the… See, no supplement is going to… She said “Low motility, vagus nerve.” That’s vagus nerve activation stuff. That would be different than taking a supplement. But out of your probiotics, if somebody’s constipation is their number one issue, is there one of them that’s kind of a go-to that you’ve seen better results with?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yeah, I would for sure do the Supernatant because you really want to go after whatever infectious diseases are there and to start cleaning up the intestines and colon. I would also, believe it or not, add the Energy to it because the body needs that oomph to be able to detox, which is really what constipation does not allow us to do. It does not have the movement of letting go of waste. Also, a very old naturopathic trick is to take some castor oil and rub it on your abdominal area at night and put of course a towel so you don’t mess up the whole-

Michael Roesslein:

Castor oil packs.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yeah, exactly. And then maybe a hot water bottle on top of it for about 20 minutes to warm it up. Let it absorb and then do it night after night until you have that movement that starts to occur. Obviously, there are many other things like Michael says, there are many reasons for constipation. I would actually advise for a while to go vegetarian and just use a lot of vegetables and fruit. Fiber is the number one important ingredient for us to be able to have a good constitutional let go every morning. And so a bowel movement is important, and for that, we need to get the right community in our gut. Meat actually does not ferment so much as putrefies, and so there are very different organisms that get created in the gut when we eat meat products. And so for a while, just a while, I would do that or just have less of it and more vegetables and fruits.

Michael Roesslein:

All right. The last question is, “Do your various extracts have a standardized percentage value for the active ingredients, please?” Now, I’m not certain there what is being asked, but I’m guessing in the ones that show all the different ingredients, is it standardized from batch to batch? Is that available anywhere maybe?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yes, we have it on our website this kind of information. Like the High ORAC has to have exactly 40,000 ppm or units. The sulforaphane, also the No. 7 actually, that comes from the kind of fruits and vegetables that are measured to offer a certain amount of servings actually, which is how we got going on the No. 7 is what can we offer the body that will help it each day? There is also what we call the hormetic effect, the hormesis process is that when tiny amounts of ingredients or molecules affect the body and slowly rebuild strength. That is something that the Therapeutic Foods line in general utilizes very, very well is that we know that overall as you use these products that you are building up that strength from the hormetic effect. And that is also, I think, Michael, that you even have that on your website, possibly in the No. 7 that we discussed that in. You can read more about it because it’s quite an exciting process that gives us a lot of hope as to regenerating our organs and systems and cells in the body to become healthier each year.

Michael Roesslein:

Beautiful. Thank you. Hold on. There’s a whole influx of questions that I’m trying to-

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Go through.

Michael Roesslein:

No. 7 would be the first response for systemic inflammation. “My husband has ankylosing spondylitis.” Yes. Okay. They’re asking, most effective of these products for systemic inflammation would be that.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

I would start there with the High ORAC and do the whole bottle and then do the No. 7 and then switch back and forth between the two products. Possibly ask Michael to bring in the blueberry extract as well for you. When you do the No. 7, if you have a very sensitive system, I would start with a quarter teaspoon, mush it in your mouth and then swallow it. It taste wonderful. It’s like candy really. And then increase it to a half teaspoon and then increase it to a full teaspoon. You will be addicted after your third day.

Michael Roesslein:

Which one? Which one is that?

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

That’s the No. 7.

Michael Roesslein:

Oh yeah. It doesn’t have artificial and all kinds of flavors in it and things, but it doesn’t taste bad.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Have you actually put it in your mouth, the new one?

Michael Roesslein:

The new, I haven’t had it in like probably two years so I don’t know.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Two years. I think we already changed it, but try it. Put a teaspoon in your mouth, mush it around. It’s so sweet.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. That’s what I mean. A lot of people think if there’s not sweeteners or artificial things in a powder, that it’s going to taste bad. Because there’s some greens and stuff powders out there that taste… I’ve drank some things that I’m not very excited about. Your stuff tastes great. I’ve done the blueberry open capsules, put it in there for extra. I’ve done the High ORAC in there. I’ve drank half of the products probably and all of them taste good, because they’re just made with food.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Yeah. The blueberry extract is quite intense.

Michael Roesslein:

Yeah. There’s some crazy number of, it’s like a 20 kilos of blueberries or something goes into making, I don’t remember what it was, but I remember eight kilos.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Eight kilos of blueberries to make one kilo of the extract. It is so potent. Of course, we have 500 milligram in a capsule which no one does because it is a pain to manufacture and so expensive, but it’s worth it.

Michael Roesslein:

All right. Yes. The blueberry stuff is awesome. We didn’t add it yet. We’re going to at some point. Like you said, it’s extremely high price point so we’re working. I had an inventory budget and if I would’ve added the blueberries, it would’ve removed probably two of the other products. So I was having to work with what I had allotted to do the new inventory. And then hopefully we can expand and add more products from some of the companies that we’ve added. I just had to make decisions on like I kind of went, and this goes for your line and the other lines that I added some products from and not all of them. I went with like what fills a need that we don’t have in the shop? Where do we have holes if we don’t have a support for this or we don’t have a support for this? And then which of their products, and this is theirs and all of them are very well-rounded and beneficial for large groups of people.

               I didn’t really add very many like very niche products that are like single use or single benefit or that require a lot of education or they’re for one single type of symptom. I try to stay away from those and go for the ones that have wide systemic benefits and that would benefit most people. And that I’m not concerned some of the other types of products. And I’m not saying in your line, but in general, they’re not for everyone. Not everyone needs that. I tried to pick the things that I thought would be the best for everyone, the most well-rounded things first. And then plus the stuff that I take, I was partial towards. Out of all the products we added, I probably take half of them myself. That was a deciding factor as well.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

You chose [inaudible 01:25:10], Michael, you chose such amazing products. As I was preparing for these, our little chat and presentation, I thought, wow, Michael just picked such amazing products. And so you did really well.

Michael Roesslein:

Well, thank you. You guys make it easy to choose to and to figure out what’s what. There’s no more well presented with information and research company that is out there. It’s really, really impressive.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Thank you.

Michael Roesslein:

Thank you for taking the time and for answering the questions and for chatting with me and helping me get everything sorted beforehand. It was really helpful. And yes, you guys will get the recording. We’ll probably send it out tomorrow. They’re all on the same page. I just put the link in the chat. Whitney will probably get it up today. We won’t email it till tomorrow, but if you want to bookmark that link, it’ll probably be there later in here today. It’s weird living nine hours in the future. Now things happen while I’m sleeping, but yeah, that’ll be in there. I put the link to the shop in there. We have the sales still going on for the site launch to try new things. Thanks, Andy. I’ll let the team know. Yeah, they’ve been working hard. There’s a lot of people that work with us that you guys don’t see that make a lot of the things happen, especially with the new site and the inventory and the shipping.

               Whitney handles all of that. She’s having to learn all these new products to answer your questions and emails. Shout out to Whitney and to Peter for the site work, the site is beautiful. We’re still tweaking some things, working on a couple things, but it looks really, really beautiful and it’s nice to see. We’re grateful. This is the last of the live ones. We are recording one recorded video that I’ll send out probably next week. But they’ve been so much fun. It was great to connect with you. I’ll definitely be reaching out maybe with some questions.

Dohrea Bardell, PhD:

Ask away any question that you have, ask, send it to us. I’ll be glad to answer your questions and come back to discuss other things. We can have open mind for people. We can do all sorts of fun things together.

Michael Roesslein:

Okay. Let’s do it.